Why I'm leaving Brave Browser permanently, this time

I have been using Brave for a while now. It was a pretty good browser. I disabled the crypto. Then as time progressed, Brave “innovated”. They added Brave Talk, Brave News, Brave VPN, Leo AI, and probably more stuff that I can’t think of. So, me being me, I disabled all that too.

But what has really being annoying me for the past 6+ months are the various UI glitches and other little weird things that definitely don’t happen in stock or ungoogled chromium. Every implementation/feature is done quite “sloppily”. The vertical tabs aren’t great, the Split View is just so DIY, and the sidebar is stagnant - the websites on the side act as if they were a second set of bookmarks. Shouldn’t they open in the side? I admit I don’t really use the features, because they are so underdeveloped.

Graphical glitches are also quite frequent, with “vibrating” install app (PWA) prompts, save password prompts and more. There are dark mode inconstancies with unreadable text, there are icons cut off, etc etc.

I have also experienced a fair share of black screens and freezes, and the address bar locking up randomly. I would rather that the Brave team focus their efforts on the core functions of the browser, then the core UI/feel of the browser, and then with any other time, perhaps include the AI/rewards/crypto/news as an optional extension to the browser.

For now, I am using Firefox as my main and Microsoft Edge as my backup. When Ladybird and Servo become viable, or if Brave applies major (good) changes to their browser, I’ll reconsider my paths.

I sincerely hope you consider this post in shaping Brave’s future.

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I think the AI and crypto stuff make the brand seem less legitimate, but I was able to disable all of these things pretty easily.

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Control tower to Flight @HeathM: Departure request denied. Brave Air is still experiencing minor headwinds, but we expect clear skies ahead. Please return to your gate, enjoy some complimentary features, and consider sticking around for the smoother ride coming soon.

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@Tamale2746 I agree, but what’s worse in my opinion is actual issues with the core browser functions.

I only recently switched over from Firefox to Brave. Fortunately I don’t have the issues you mentioned or am just not using these features.

In general I do agree. There’s a bit too much focus on bling bling and non-essential stuff. I would appreciate more focus on core functionality and essentials such as multi-account containers :wink:

Heck, I would even pay for a subscription for a good privacy focussed browser.

Unfortunately I do not see any viable alternatives to brave at this time so I hope they keep being focussed on providing a great, stable browser.

That’s what set Brave apart for me in the old days. A nice, clean, uncluttered privacy browser with the added choice of earning BAT rewards. That was its utility for me and I generally agree with the feedback given here. Indeed, have made similar comments here in the past. Hate the whole rewards wall thing.

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Good news for those wanting a “slimmed down” version of the browser – stay tuned!

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That would really be awesome: A no bs browser that isn’t spying on you. :raising_hands:t3:

No telemetry just updates vs. 0day security bugs.

uhh so brave right now have telemetry?

Then list of things they collect is https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/P3A

And of course can be turned off in settings → privacy & security.

It’s all privacy preserving but Brave has always been open that it gathers some types of information so they know what features are being used and what improvements are needed to the browser.

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ohh i thought its like microsoft telemetry that can’t be turned off without tweaking the registry, it simple as clicking those button i guess.
good brave.

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@binaryanomaly Why did you leave Firefox? The TOS drama was unnecessary hype over people not reading English. Firefox is as fast as chromium for me.

First of all, I want a browser that doesn’t crash frequently.

@Saoiray @Davidhench @binaryanomaly What are your thoughts on this?

I noticed more and more web pages not working properly or having problems w ff.

I felt their commitment to privacy was more marketing and eroding than a sincere and consequent commitment.

The founding, most of it resulting from a contract w google, is a risk and not really sustainable.

And lastly, chrome is much better from a security point of view, giving you better exploitation protection, etc. and sets the standard in many areas.

Add some wokeness to it.

On which aspect? My first thought in seeing it was wondering why people are going to some third party website to get stuff. I mean, I don’t get why anyone would use Softonic or any of those.

Next thought is about businesses competing. Isn’t that normal? Usually all claims made these days get heavily exaggerated. It’s like the whole “3x faster” or “4x faster” claims that each try to make. I’ve gotten too used to seeing it, such as below.

We’ll start with Firefox, https://www.firefox.com/en-US/compare/brave/

Notice how they claim Brave does not password-protect your passwords.. But that’s not true. Or at least can be debated. Brave encrypts and stores with your OS credentials. You can’t see the passwords unless you use the password for the device. So in that sense, it’s password-protected.

What’s even more interesting though is when I just opened Firefox and went to passwords, it immediately let me view saved passwords without typing anything. So someone on my device could have seen it, but that never happened on Brave. This means that on Firefox, you have to look for the setting and enable it., such as I see below. But then what I haven’t done yet is activate and test to see if it would be encrypted on the device or if someone could just copy the password folder and have the passwords.

And as I said, it’s all company things in general. Like this old thing from Opera where they were comparing to Chrome and trying to say how they are much faster.

And

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So yeah, my thoughts would be that marketing is always trying to exaggerate things but be technically correct. If you want to dive into it, Firefox does know more about you than just your location. It would know your OS and all as well, such as every web browser knows about you. Brave would be no exclusion to that. The only argument is that it is anonymized.

Firefox does have some additional loopholes for people who don’t pay attention. For example:

They are wanting to have additional info sent to them, suggestion extensions based on browsing activity, etc.

So yeah, they do look at a lot more than Brave does. Though can be debated.

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idk, i use brave because i want. i used ff before now i’m fully ditching onto brave cuz my local websites broken more often on ff. someone should optimize their website on gecko engine not only on chromium engine lol.